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align=center style='text-align:center;tab-stops:76.5pt'><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family: Arial'>Proposal (291) to </span></b><a href="http://www.museum.lsu.edu/%7ERemsen/SACCBaseline.htm"><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family: Arial;color:blue'>South American Classification Committee</span></b></a><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='tab-stops:76.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Times;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;mso-outline-level: 1'><b><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Change linear sequence in&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i></span></b><span style='font-size:16.0pt; font-family:Times;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Times;mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Effect on SACC</span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family: Arial;color:black'>: All that this would do is change the linear order of species in <i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;to reflect published data.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Background and New information</span></u><span style='font-size: 14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>: The current linear sequence is essentially unchanged from Storer's sequence in the Peters checklist and is maintained largely by historical momentum rather than explicit rationale:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-outline-level:1'><span style='font-size:14.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>Current SACC sequence =<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-outline-level:1'><span style='font-size:14.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara inornata<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara palmeri<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara mexicana<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara chilensis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara fastuosa<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara seledon<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara cyanocephala<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara desmaresti<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara cyanoventris<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara johannae<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara schrankii<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara florida<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara arthus<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara icterocephala<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara xanthocephala<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara chrysotis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara parzudakii<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara xanthogastra<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara punctata<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara guttata<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara varia<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara rufigula<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara gyrola<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara lavinia<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara cayana<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara vitriolina<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara meyerdeschauenseei<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara peruviana<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara preciosa&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara rufigenis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara ruficervix<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara labradorides<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara cyanotis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara cyanicollis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara larvata<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara nigrocincta<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara nigroviridis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara vassorii<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara heinei<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara phillipsi<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara viridicollis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara argyrofenges<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara cyanoptera<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara velia<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara callophrys<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Burns &amp; Naoki (2004) sequenced about 1500 bps of two mitochondrial genes, cytb and ND2, for 43 of 49 species of&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>. Their hypothesis of relationships within&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;(their Fig. 2) contains about 23 nodes with 97-100% Bayesian support that involved more than 1 species. To incorporate that information on sister relationships into our classification, we have produced the following sequence, using the conventions of basal taxa listed first and allotaxa listed NW to SE. Otherwise, we then incorporated the remaining topology of their Fig. 2, but maintained historical stability wherever possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara ruficervix<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara cyanoptera<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara viridicollis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara heinei<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara argyrofenges<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara phillipsi</span></i><span style='font-size:14.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;[not sampled]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Tangara palmeri<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara peruviana</span></i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;[not sampled but almost certainly sister to&nbsp;<i>peruviana</i>]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara preciosa</span></i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;[not sampled in original study but unpublished Burns data support this placement]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara meyerdeschauenseei<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara cayana<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara vitriolina<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara nigrocincta<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara larvata<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara cyanicollis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara varia<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara rufigula<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara guttata<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara xanthogastra<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara punctata<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara vassorii<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara nigroviridis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara labradorides<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara cyanotis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara inornata<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara mexicana<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara chilensis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara velia<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara callophrys<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara seledon<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara fastuosa<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara cyanocephala<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara desmaresti<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara cyanoventris</span></i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;[not sampled in original study but unpublished Burns data support this placement]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara lavinia<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara gyrola<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara rufigenis&nbsp;</span></i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>[not sampled; placed here tentatively following Isler &amp; Isler 1989]<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara chrysotis<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara xanthocephala<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara parzudakii<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara schrankii<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara johannae<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara arthus<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara florida<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tangara icterocephala<o:p></o:p></span></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Some of this sequence will likely require tweaking with additional analyses, although <span class=SpellE>Burns's</span> unpublished data with more taxa and sequences strongly supports the suggested sequence.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Recommendation</span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family: Arial;color:black'>: Yes. Regardless of any future tweaking, the above sequence reflects published data, whereas the traditional one does not.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>References</span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family: Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;(I have pdf if you need it):<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>BURNS, K. J., AND K. NAOKI. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;</span>2004. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;</span>Molecular phylogenetics and biogeography of Neotropical tanagers in the genus <i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>Tangara</i>. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;</span>Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 32: 838-854.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;mso-outline-level: 1'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Van Remsen &amp; Kevin Burns, June 2007<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;mso-outline-level: 1'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>============================================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'>&nbsp;</span></o:p></span></u></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Comments from Zimmer</span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>: &quot;YES. Even if modifications are needed, this represents a distinct step forward.&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Comments from Nores</span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>: &quot;YES, <span class=SpellE>aunque</span> <span class=SpellE>mirando</span> el <span class=SpellE>·rbol</span> de Burns y Naoki (2004) no me <span class=SpellE>resulta</span> tan <span class=SpellE>claro</span> <span class=SpellE>como</span> <span class=SpellE>fue</span> <span class=SpellE>finalmente</span> <span class=SpellE>logrado</span> el <span class=SpellE>ordenamiento</span>. De <span class=SpellE>todos</span> <span class=SpellE>modos</span> <span class=SpellE>parece</span> <span class=SpellE>que</span> <span class=SpellE>es</span> un <span class=SpellE>buen</span> <span class=SpellE>avance</span> <span class=SpellE>comparado</span> con la <span class=SpellE>tradicional</span> <span class=SpellE>secuencia</span>.&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Comments from Stotz</span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>: &quot;NO. Given that Kevin Burns was involved in creating this proposal, perhaps it is a bit hard to fathom that I am voting against it because of further data from Kevin.&nbsp; I feel this is similar to the&nbsp;<i>Hemispingus</i>&nbsp;case, where more data is indicating that there are broader issues that remain to be dealt with.&nbsp; In this case&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;is not monophyletic, and given the limited information that is contained within the order of taxa in a large genus like <i>Tangara</i>, I would prefer to wait until the more complete dataset is available.&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Comments from Stiles</span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>: &quot;YES. The proposal best reflects the phylogenetic evidence available. I may be myopic, but I fail to understand Doug's objection here. The branch to&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;in the Burns &amp; Naoki paper has 100% Bayesian support in both trees, and it leads only to&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;(no putative&nbsp;<i>Tangara </i>species on other branches, no non-<i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;on the&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;branch; there are evidently several major clades within&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>, but this does not affect the monophyly of the genus).&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Comments from Jaramillo</span></u><span style='font-size:14.0pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>: &quot;YES - Even if refinements are needed in the future, the new order will be easier to work with than our present order. This applies to events such as the need to divide&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;to maintain monophyly, or the addition of other species into&nbsp;<i>Tangara ...&nbsp;</i>whatever may arise with further sampling of tanagers (reading between the lines of Doug Stotz's comments).&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Comments from Kevin Burns</span></u><span style='font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Arial;color:black'>: &quot;</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt; font-family:Times;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Doug is correct that our new data show that six species of&nbsp;<i>Thraupis</i>&nbsp;are imbedded within&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>.&nbsp; Thus,&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>&nbsp;is not monophyletic.&nbsp; These data are strongly supported with nuclear and mtDNA data.&nbsp; So, when our results are published, these species will need to be moved within the sequence.&nbsp; But note that Al Jaramillo is correct in his comments in that this wouldn't result in rearrangement of all the&nbsp;<i>Tangara</i>.&nbsp; These&nbsp;<i>Thraupis</i>&nbsp;species would simply be inserted as a group within the sequence (most likely between&nbsp;<i>larvata</i>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<i>guttata</i>&nbsp;in the above arrangement).<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Times;mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Times; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>&quot;Hemispingus</span></i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Times;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; color:black'>&nbsp;is a different story.&nbsp; In that case, the nonmonophyly of&nbsp;<i>Hemispingus</i>&nbsp;is the result of multiple species being inserted at multiple places within&nbsp;<i>Hemispingus</i>.&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Times;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> </div> </body> </html>